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Gun Talk with Brent Clapp and Clay Winton – Concealed Carry (4/24/17)

In this episode of Gun Talk, La Grande Alive is joined by Clay Winton from Crosshair Customs to discuss concealed carry.

Video Transcript: Gun Talk with Brent Clapp and Clay Winton – Concealed Carry (4/24/17)

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Brent: Hey La Grande Alive welcome to Gun Talk with me, Brent Clapp and Clay Winton. Glad to have you with us Clay.

Clay: Great to be back in, Brent.

Brent: Our sponsors today are Northwest Furniture and Mattress, Anything2Digital, Grande Ronde Hospital and a new sponsor of ours EONI, who is a local internet provider. So Clay, thanks a bunch for coming in again. What are we going to talk about today?

Clay: We’ll talk about concealed carry, some of the different pistol action types and a couple of different holster options out there.

Brent: OK, and what is involved in a concealed carry in the state of Oregon?

Clay: So you’d go take a class by a certified instructor. After that was done you’d go down to your local sheriff’s office. You would have your picture taken, fingerprints done, then they send that off to OSP. The wait time right now, I think it takes about a month most of the time. And then you’d get your card back in the mail that you were approved. You go down there, they take your picture and print it off. It looks a lot like a driver’s license. Right now in Oregon, concealed carry is valid in 14 other states. They have reciprocity with the state of Oregon. So you can still carry in their state with that permit. There’s other states like Utah for one that has reciprocity with a ton of other states. Some instructors are certified to teach the Utah class, the background check is a little more involved and it obviously gets shipped off to Utah to get one of their concealed carries. Getting an out of state concealed carry is not a hard process. Once you have that, you’re legal to carry. In addition, in Oregon, we also have open carry. So as long as the firearm is totally visible, not obscured, you have to have at least 80% of the firearm showing, then it’s legal to carry without a permit. For instance, in your vehicle, if it’s sitting on the center console and it’s in plain view to the world, there’s nothing illegal about that. A lot of people get really bound up about that. There’s an easier option.

Brent: A concealed carry license is not an easy thing to get. There’s a process.

Clay: There’s absolutely a process.

Brent: It’s not like it’s available to people who might have mental issues.

Clay: No, they run a very in-depth background check, just like anything related to firearms. You can’t do anything in the firearms world without a background check.

Brent: Talk to me about the different options. If you’ve gone through the process, you have a concealed carry license.

Clay: Then it’s time to start carrying your gun. It comes down to personal preference. The options are limitless. Me, personally? I carry a full-size Glock .22 in an inside-the-waistband holster. This holster actually goes inside the waistband and that way the gun doesn’t hang out from my body. I used to wear an outside-the-waistband holster like this one that clips on the outside. With that, I used to run it into stuff all the time. It just felt bulky and sticking out. Whereas with this one I never even know it’s there and I’m still carrying a rather large handgun. Then you go on further to something like this, which is more of a pocket-carry setup. Like this little .22 Mag revolver.

Brent: Hold that up again.
[Clay shows the firearm.]

Brent: It looks like a toy gun.

Clay: Yeah. That’s a five-shot .22 Mag. It’s single action, so you have to pull the hammer back for it to go. One really important thing: some people throw a gun in their pocket. It does not make any sense. You have to make sure your trigger is covered. There’s no excuse for that, especially in a single action gun like this, without any kind of safety mechanism, I would never, ever carry it with a loaded round underneath the hammer. You’re just asking for trouble. Why open yourself up to that possibility.

Brent: You reach in and get your keys and accidentally fire off your gun?

Clay: It would be complicated, but it’s within the realm of possibility. The amount of factors that need to come into play for that to actually happen? I think you’re more likely to get hit by a meteor. But that’s personal preference. Never do something that makes you feel unsafe. So let me go over this. This is a double action revolver. The difference obviously on size and caliber compared to this one [Clay references the small .22 Mag] would be you’d just have to pull the trigger and the hammer will come back every time. You can also fire it in single action like that one. That’s compared to the Glock, which is a semi-auto, so every pull of the trigger it goes off and it’s a clean, crisp pull every time.

Brent: With a semi-auto, and I have both of these guns, with a double action gun, every time you pull. But it’s a long pull. So when you’re pulling the trigger back, it’s pulling the hammer back, then it slams forward. With a semi-automatic as the shell is being ejected, it is re-cocking the internal hammer.

Clay: Re-cocking the firing pin. It would be called the striker. So that would be a striker fired semi-auto, like this Glock. Compared to your little Body Guard here, which has an actual hammer in it. You can see it in the back there. It has the same long length of the trigger pull because the hammer’s in the resting position every time. Where after every shot the firing pin is cocked back on these.

Brent: For the actual shooter, a semi-auto has a very short pull normally, then this double action, whether it’s internal or external, has a long pull every time for that hammer to come all the way back.

Clay: Yes sir. You’ve got to wind that thing up to let it go.

Brent: Probably people don’t concealed carry a gun like this. [Brent references the double action revolver.] It’s just too big to do so.

Clay: Yes sir. That all comes down to preference. This is a smaller Glock and it’s almost identical to this one, other than that it holds seven instead of 15 in the magazine.

Brent: But the caliber is similar?

Clay: This one is a .380 but we have identical ones in 9MM. This is a 40 but I have a 9MM that’s the identical size. So it’s a fairly even comparison across the board. The problem with that is that anytime you go bigger in a smaller gun, it gets a little harder to handle. It’s a little harder to control.

Brent: Why is it harder to handle? Explain that a little bit.

Clay: Recoil. The forces that are acting as it goes through its firing sequence and comes back, it’s going to move you a lot more. You’re going to have a little harder time getting back on target.

Brent: Every time you fire, the gun comes up and you have to make some effort to re-aim again and shoot again? Whereas a heavier gun will stay closer to on-target?

Clay: Yes. Just simple mass.

Brent: You talked a little about holster options.

Clay: Yes. So there’s an outside-the-waistband. There’s a million different holster manufacturers out there. The key is just finding one that’s comfortable for you with a weapons package that works the way you want it to. For me a full size works great, I’m also a bigger guy. My wife carries a Glock 43 which is the 9MM version of this. It’s a lot slimmer, it’s not nearly as heavy, it’s personal preference.

Brent: This is my little concealed carry. I don’t have a concealed carry permit yet, so I don’t carry it. But at some point I will prepare for that. There’s a couple of holster options with this. [Brent references a holster.] This is a cute little holster and it’s not really even a holster, it’s a container for the gun. You can carry it in a pocket.

Clay: Right. Breaks up the outline.

Brent: Breaks up the outline of the gun. And this is very similar to this, but you can put this… is that an outside…?

Clay: That looks like an inside-the-waistband unless you’re a lefty.

Brent: All right. So you could carry that inside your waistband.

Clay: Yeah. Or inside your belt. You’d wear it just inside a belt loop just because of the way that’s set up. Whenever they have a paddle like this it’s generally an inside-the-waistband. What it’s doing is protecting your side from the gun. So as it’s sitting there, it’s giving your side protection so it’s not rubbing on you, which isn’t fun.

Brent: So anytime a gun is uncomfortable to carry…

Clay: …You won’t carry it. You might might carry it for a week, you won’t carry it much longer. It’s called every day carry for a reason.

Brent: So why do people — I know this is kind of a silly question — but why do people carry? Are they afraid? Are they… I mean, give me some rational behind that.

Clay: What’s the average response time of a police officer to a violent crime? Four time five minutes. It takes a lot less than that to get yourself in trouble. So the way I see it at least is that a cop’s too heavy to carry with me all the time. It’s not their job to be a personal body guard. I’m responsible personally for my own personal safety. That’s my deal. It’s no extra effort or time out of my world to put this gun on every day. It’s effortless. It goes on just like my socks every morning. I’ve been doing it long enough now that I don’t even know it’s there. In my mind it’s just an added little bit of protection. Why not have it? If anything goes wrong I have the ability to respond to it. And especially, I have a wife and kids. I’m responsible for their personal safety also. So that’s part of the reason why I carry every day. I’ve never had to draw a gun in fear. I hope I never have to. So far I’ve killed two badgers and a coyote with this pistol and that’s been it. Other than that it’s just target practice.

Brent: What do you say to those people that say, “Well, there’s another gun out there. You carrying a gun makes the whole situation more dangerous.”

Clay: How so? It takes it from begging for your life to actually being able to make a difference. That’s my opinion.

Brent: I understand. I think that whenever you have a situation where the only person that’s armed is the bad guy, then he’s going to have his way and if he’s inclined to shoot people, he’s going to do so until he’s stopped or until he kills himself in one way or another.

Clay: Absolutely. Another interesting statistic, like even going into mass shootings, the average number of people killed when police stop a mass shooting is 14.3. When a civilian stops a mass shooter it’s 1.3, and one of those is the shooter. So at the same time Sandy Hook happened they had another attempted mass shooting in Portland on the same day. The guy walked into a mall with an AK-47, fired off a couple of pot-shots, hit one person. A concealed carry guy drew, pointed it at him, and the guy blew his brains out. As soon as they’re met with any kind of force these nut jobs tend to stop. But the only thing that’s ever stopped a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. The only thing that beats force is force.

Brent: Do you have anything else you’d like to add to this topic?

Clay: No, I think that’s the majority of it.

Brent: Thanks so much Clay, and thanks for taking the time to come in and talk about this. You know, we’d be interested in your thoughts. [Brent is referencing the viewer.] I know that guns are kind of a controversial topic. They’re less controversial in Eastern Oregon than they are on the west side of the state, but we would be interested in your thoughts and if you have some other areas of gun topics that you’re wanting us to cover, we’d be happy to hear those things. So be sure in the comments section to share and like this video and to add your comments. And again, thank you to our sponsors, Northwest Furniture and Mattress, Grande Ronde Hospital, Anything2Digital, which is my company, and we can change your VHS to DVDs. Also EONI, our newest sponsor who provides internet service locally here. Thanks so much.